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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:03 Shoutout: NewKid / Viva Technology Brighteye partnership
2:06 Secondaries deep dive begins
4:15 Median IPO age shift (4 yrs → 15 yrs)
4:48 Is the IPO becoming less important?
5:37 Secondaries as a private stock market signal
7:12 Pricing in secondary markets / Series A & B focus
7:52 Founder secondaries: relief money vs. retirement money
10:04 Retention strategies and employee secondaries
11:07 IPOs as strategic choice, not financing necessity
11:44 End of secondaries topic
12:07 Gyver investment
12:44 Surprise guest: Francesco (CEO of Gyver)
13:19 Francesco intro & market opportunity
15:33 Why Brighteye invested in Gyver
15:51 Gyver's long-term vision (upskilling, productivity)
18:01 How Gyver built a community of 30,000 electricians
19:41 Two key fundraising lessons from Francesco
21:17 Wrap-up and outro
Periodic secondary sales are now one of the most effective retention tools available to private companies - yet most founders still treat them as a cap table footnote. In this episode, David and Rhys unpack why founder liquidity at Series A or B reduces existential stress rather than signalling exit intent, how secondaries are extending the lifespan of private companies, and why the IPO is becoming a strategic choice rather than a financing necessity. Then: a surprise appearance from Francesco, CEO of Gyver - Brighteye's latest investment and Europe's first labour marketplace built around industrial electricians, a workforce that moves through word of mouth, not job boards.
Links:
NewKid x Vivatech: application
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